What would you give for Cousins?

by skyblue on Jan 6, 2012 4:40 PM MST

Just thought I'd throw this out there:

Although I never put much faith into their reporting, according to ESPN, Utah is one of the eight teams supposedly interested in Cousins. Who knows if/when he'll be available. However, for the sake of discussion, what would you be willing to trade for Cousins?

I know that many probably wouldn't trade a headache for Cousins, because that is what he is. However, his talent is there and a three-headed monster of Favors, Kanter and Cousins with his head on straight makes me see championship rings. I think on potential alone, I'd be willing to give up Harris and CJ without a thought. However, I'm sure it'd take much more to pry Cousins away, even if there are problems in Sacto. Would you be willing to give up Harris and Millsap or AJ?

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no no no

by neds on Jan 6, 2012 5:50 PM MST reply actions

I wouldn't want Cousins honestly.

I think he would probably be a terrible fit in Utah. Maybe someone like Sloan could get the best out of him, I honestly see them butting heads something fierce though, but I don’t think Ty needs that kind of headache. He is still trying to get his coaching legs under him and that would just be like throwing gasoline on a fire.

As much as I want Big Al out of Utah, I don’t know if I like replacing him with someone like Cousins.

by hamfist on Jan 6, 2012 11:53 PM MST reply actions

Cousins reminds me a bit of Derrick Coleman

Super talented but too lazy, to work at it and a bit of a head case. You can’t win with guys who don’t want it and don’t have their head in the game.

I agree with hamfist, that I want Big Al out of Utah, but not for Cousins.

by socaljazzfan on Jan 7, 2012 8:30 AM MST reply actions

I would give green eggs and ham on Jack sprat bread for that soldier

by UtonganKidInCali on Jan 7, 2012 9:53 AM MST via Android app reply actions

my guess

is the Jazz have no interest in Cousins, but realize if the Kings trade him away, they will be in need of a big man. The Jazz can unload Sap or Al while each one’s trade value has got to be pretty solid. Maybe get another solid first round draft pick, hopefully used on the PG of the future.

by zdid on Jan 7, 2012 10:00 AM MST reply actions

a three way trade that rids us of Al and brings a pick and Jimmer

by neds on Jan 7, 2012 11:28 AM MST up reply actions

I agree

The only way that the Jazz would be interested in Cousins is as trade bait in a three way deal. I personally am hoping that the Jazz just stand pat. We need to wait and see how everything matures until the trade deadline. In addition, Jimmer is not the answer (plus I do not think the Kings want to trade him).

by Spud Jazz Fan on Jan 7, 2012 12:59 PM MST up reply actions

i don't understand why we would get rid of sap

al i understand. but sap, yes he is undersized, but still amazing.

by gubihero on Jan 7, 2012 11:08 AM MST reply actions

i would never trade Sap. He is the last fan favorite. He works hard plays injured and earns his time and spot. He was on the bench to start this year and forced his way into the starting lineup by playing hard and being super aggressive. He teams well with any of our other bigs. He plays bigger than he is and works to be better.

by neds on Jan 7, 2012 11:31 AM MST up reply actions

trade value is huge

he will eventually be squeezed out with the growth of favors, kanter, and even evans. The FO might feel like they can strike while the iron is hot and get some good pieces in exchange. Not saying they should trade Sap before Al, but really I don’t think we could ignore the possibility for either if the price is right.

by zdid on Jan 7, 2012 11:45 AM MST up reply actions

Evans is going to squeeze out Milsap?

Really? Have you watched the Jazz actually play before?

by TurboJazz224 on Jan 9, 2012 12:46 PM MST up reply actions

Why do people hate on Sap?

None of our young bigs outperform him. He even took his starting spot back from Favors. He is super efficient and cheap. Why get rid of a player like that for the chance that Kanter or Evans maybe, maybe, maybe, could be better?

by slayer666 on Jan 7, 2012 12:35 PM MST reply actions

Nobody hates Sap

Except davidthecomposer :)

But really, it’s about value: right now the Jazz would probably get a better return on a Millsap trade than anyone else. And why a trade at all? Because Kanter and Favors will be better. Favors, at least, may be already.

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by Yucca Man on Jan 7, 2012 12:52 PM MST up reply actions

MAYBE Al. Oh, and Raja, of course.

But otherwise, I think if the Jazz got Cousins it would just open up a can of worms that Coach Ty wouldn’t like to have to handle.

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by DWest on Jan 7, 2012 1:00 PM MST reply actions

Kanter >> Cousins

You’ll see.

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by Mac_Diego on Jan 8, 2012 1:36 AM MST reply actions

By no measure is Favors better than Milsap

I like Favors and Kanter and I’m high on both of them but why trade the best player on the team who is still getting better for more time to unproven players. They could end up being busts or just decent players. Milsap is an allstar caliber player now and for the foreseeable future. I’d be fine with trading Al because he hogs all the shots on offense but trading Milsap would be a huge mistake.

by slayer666 on Jan 8, 2012 2:03 PM MST reply actions

By every defensive measure you can imagine, Favors is better than Millsap right now

I love Sap, and I honestly don’t think he’s going anywhere right now. But there are reasons to consider a trade—particularly since Sap would bring the best return.

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by Yucca Man on Jan 8, 2012 11:32 PM MST up reply actions

You should check out basketball-reference and basketballvalue.com and see what they say.

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by clarkpojo on Jan 9, 2012 6:20 AM MST up reply actions

Interesting stuff

So yeah, defensive stats don’t say Favors is better right now.

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by Yucca Man on Jan 9, 2012 7:28 AM MST up reply actions

I get what you're saying

But I think it’s a bit early to turn the team over to the young guys. They definately should get time on the court but to say to Favors “Ok you’re the man go lead this team” is premature. He’s looking great and I’d even like to see him get more time. Kanter too but I don’t want them to feel like they’ve got all the pressure in the world on them. That can crush young players. I think we stand pat for now and see how we develop as a team. For sure entertain trade offers but only pull the trigger on something that fills needs on the team and improves us overall.

by slayer666 on Jan 9, 2012 11:16 AM MST reply actions

Boston gets Cousins and Watson, Kings get Jefferson, Jazz get Rondo. Make it happen KOC.

by TurboJazz224 on Jan 9, 2012 12:49 PM MST reply actions

i could really see this happening

but i think we would have to give up harris not watson and i would rather give up harris, we would have to take back some other contracts though to make it work

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by Evans Almighty on Jan 10, 2012 10:18 AM MST up reply actions

Harris and Jefferson for Rondo and Jermain Oneal. That’s the only way I can think of to make work.

by TurboJazz224 on Jan 10, 2012 11:40 AM MST up reply actions

Correction

Boston gets Harris and Cousins, we get Rondo, The Kings get Jefferson and a 1st rnd pick from Boston. The Kings would have to get a pick back to even consider it, and there is no way we give up one of our picks if we are giving away Jefferson and Harris.

by TurboJazz224 on Jan 10, 2012 11:42 AM MST up reply actions

I don't know if the Kinds or the Celts bite on that.

But I would do that in a heartbeat. So I am not convinced it would go through.

by hamfist on Jan 10, 2012 5:39 PM MST up reply actions

Sadly, I agree

The Celtics might consider it since they still get a decent PG, and they get a young gifted big man with tons of potential. I dont think it puts them over the top this year, but maybe they feel they need to start the rebuilding process. The kings might consider it if they really believe that Cousins is that unhappy. They get a replacement big with Jefferson who is more refined and ready to contribute immediately plus another pick. I actually dont think the Jazz would bite on that trade. Al is our only offensive force right now, so we would actually get worse.

by TurboJazz224 on Jan 11, 2012 9:35 AM MST up reply actions