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"Can I Get A Karl Malone All-Star Snub Type Performance?" - The Downbeat - # 684


I thought now would be a good time to check in on Basketball John and see what his feelings are on the team. I can only imagine what he would have to say about the Jazz if he were writing the downbeat today. Luckily, BBJ has left SLCDUNK, but not Jazz fandom or twitter. So here is an update on some insightful and funny stuff he had to say last night via twitter.

The Jinx:

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A joke appropriate for Tax-filing season:

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And the kicker of the whole shebang:

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Preach on, Brother.

I received a couple of private messages about the downbeat I posted yesterday, in regards to its negative/depressing nature. I'm not going to apologize, but thought I would explain. I wrote almost all of that downbeat right after the Thunder loss and was feeling a little frustrated by the direction of the team. Everything I wrote, I feel, whether it's after a win or a loss, but the Memphis win certainly made some of the comments feel out of place. I never expected the Jazz to lose last night. It was most likely the worst loss of the season, but Jazz fans aren't new to performances like that. The Jazz have had similar/worse losses in recent memory. The Jazz aren't unique either. Every team in the NBA has losses similar to that one last night. Any team in the NBA can beat any other team on any other night. It's not just a clever saying. Which makes this statement frustrating:

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Jefferson is obviously speaking for the team. There's little doubt that some of the players were discussing that they believed the Hornets would walk over for them. That is in a word...

UNACCEPTABLE.

The Jeremy Lin story is the "Moves Like Jagger" of the NBA: it's completely overplayed to the point of being more annoying than it should be. It doesn't make the Lin story less incredible ("Moves like Jagger" is not at all incredible). It is unprecedented and crazy what Lin has done for the city of New York, the Knicks and the NBA. What amazes me about the story is how Lin was able to singlehandedly change the Knicks from a bottom feeder to a playoff contender and probably top 10 team. Besides Lin fitting in with the Dantoni offense, he really just happens to provide the exact ingredient that the Knicks were missing: competent point guard play. It is obvious that the Jazz are missing 3 point shooters as much as anything, but would a great 3 point shooter change the Jazz's fortune like the Knicks' has changed? I can't help but think of the Korver acquisition and how the Jazz won 15 of the next 17 games afterward. But what is a realistic expectation? If the Jazz acquired, say Anthony Morrow, tomorrow, how many games would the Jazz improve? Bottom line is that the Jazz need a Lin-type experience in order to turn the team around.

The Jazz need a hero, but any 3 point shooter will do to pair with deadeye Raja Bell (39% from 3 this season).

One of the reasons the Jazz struggle on the road is because their defense doesn't travel very well. As of last week, the Jazz were allowing their opponents to shoot about 4% better on the road than at home. But even bigger news to me is that the Jazz are allowing 28.5 free throw attempts on the road, but only 22.8 at home as of 3 games ago. Add the fact that the Jazz shoot 4 less free throws on the road than at home and we are talking about a 10 free throw differential. Considering that the average NBA team shoots 74.7% from the free throw line and the Jazz are handicapping themselves by 7.4 points on the road. They can't do that. The Jazz need to improve their road defense by fouling less, first and foremost.

I had too much to write to do a trivia question yesterday, so I will do one today.

What do these teams have uniquely in common that pertains to the Jazz?

Warriors, Bucks, Hornets, Supersonics.

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I enjoyed the game after Hayward checked in in the fourth

alec burks man…just wish Mr. Evans got some burn

by UtonganKidInCali on Feb 14, 2012 7:39 AM MST via Android app reply actions  

I think Burks and Hayward

could fill the 3 point shooter help we need

by UtonganKidInCali on Feb 14, 2012 7:41 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

5

Are they teams Karl Malone has scored 50 or more against?

by flibbidy on Feb 14, 2012 7:54 AM MST reply actions  

The DB title was a good clue

And I remember seeing one of the GSW games (he did it twice against them!) as well as the Sonics game (playoffs). I also knew his career high 61 was against the Bucks. A little Google magic confirmed he hit 50 against the Hornets once as well.

Do I just email you? What info do you need?

by flibbidy on Feb 14, 2012 8:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah. Email me your physical address.

The more you try to erase me, the more that I appear.

by clarkpojo on Feb 14, 2012 10:16 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Done.

By the way, a video of Karl’s 61 against Milwaukee for those who want to see his career best:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn_xGjB6OlA

by flibbidy on Feb 14, 2012 12:25 PM MST up reply actions  

did anyone see a guy wearing a karl malone jersey that was 5 sizes too small for him behind the jazz bench last night?

if so, that was me! Even though we lost I had so much fun. That 4th quarter unit we had in was fun. I also had raja bell cracking up at my jersey. I didn’t realize how outgoing he is with fans.

Louisiana Jazz fan

by TBKIII on Feb 14, 2012 8:46 AM MST reply actions  

Another NOLA jazz fan.

I am a whodat in exile!

I'll make it coach.

by MTN on Feb 14, 2012 11:44 AM MST up reply actions  

sadly

I hate the snow.

I would way rather be riding the trolley on St. Charles.

I'll make it coach.

by MTN on Feb 14, 2012 2:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Thats why you got to pick up a winter sport

some of my friends bitch and moan about the snow, but every time we get a big drop, I get super psyched for a pow day! Plus, there is nothing better than a good day of riding and coming home to watch a Jazz game.

Utah>*

by Bebop on Feb 14, 2012 2:49 PM MST up reply actions  

i see

im up in br at lsu, but not a far drive

Louisiana Jazz fan

by TBKIII on Feb 14, 2012 5:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Building on BBJ's tweet

Can we start rebuilding yet? Our young guys played well last night, especially when they were on the court with Watson. I think that’s the way to do it. Get a veteran PG, put the young guys out there with him, and let him teach them the game. Hayward, Burks, Favors, and Kanter all went positive, and once again Evans got a DNP. All five of them should be playing as many minutes as possible. Obviously the logjam we have is causing problems, and as much as I love Millsap, it might be smarter for our future to trade him for either (or both) of our biggest needs: a PG for the next decade (because clearly Harris is not working out), and 3-point shooters. Stock up on draft picks, mix in a few crafty vets, and rebuild!

Don't mess with the Coco

by Aaron Vessel on Feb 14, 2012 9:04 AM MST reply actions  

I spent time here yesterday arguing in favor of the vets

Saying the young guys could learn from a winning environment and the vets give us the best chance at that. Then the vets stink up the place while the young guys make a late rally. Made me look dumb (not that I need help sometimes).

by flibbidy on Feb 14, 2012 9:05 AM MST reply actions  

Realistically

Who is a point guard we could aquire for Millsap (if it came to that)

Rondo has a prima donna attitude that wouldn’t jive with Utah

Lawson is not going anywhere

Lowry is not going anywhere

Dragic is a chucker

We gave Maynor away

We didn’t draft Knight

If Golden State would trade Curry I’d take him, but would they do that when they have David Lee already? He and Millsap are both power forwards.

Tyreke Evans? But do we want him?

by Utah_Soldier on Feb 14, 2012 9:29 AM MST reply actions  

That's the hard part

I don’t know anything about the contracts these guys have, and I’m too lazy to look into that right now, but I’m sure a decent trade with Millsap (and maybe CJ/Howard/draft picks) could get us a good, young PG, preferably one that can shoot the 3. Trading Al is an option too, but I’d want Millsap to come off the bench so I can start Favors and Kanter. I think I’d be okay with getting Tyreke, or someone like Brooks, Conley, maybe even Jennings (even though he’s probably about as frustrating as Harris is in terms of consistency). Collison would be a good fit too I think, but they don’t need any bigs. I’m hoping we can get a real PG prospect in the draft this year and have him train with Earl for 2-3 seasons and let him take over with the group of Hayward, Favors, Kanter, Burks, and Evans who would all be 4-5 year vets at that point.

Don't mess with the Coco

by Aaron Vessel on Feb 14, 2012 9:45 AM MST up reply actions  

That's the problem.

I have said this before, but it bears repeating: There are very few PG prospects this year. I’m going off Draft Express here, but there are zero PG’s in the lottery. The closest is Bradley Beal, who is an undersized SG with Ball skills (think Eric Gordon, or maybe Rodney Stuckey), sounds like he has a better Shot than Burks did in College.

The first PG is Kendall Marshall at 17. After that is Rivers (another combo Guard) and Weber State’s Damion Lillard. That’s it for PG’s in the first round. So what does Tanking gain us? another big?

The only thing I see is the Jazz trying to package picks to Trade up to have a shot at Kidd Gilchrist or Barnes. Which, okay we could use a prototypical 3, but it doesn’t solve our PG problem.

by Kfunk on Feb 14, 2012 10:50 AM MST up reply actions  

If we do end up with another big in the draft

Teams are always looking for size. Someone desperate for a talented big may be willing to give up a PG to get it.

by flibbidy on Feb 14, 2012 11:14 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't know

I just am not that excited about our chances of improving through this draft.
Right now DX has us taking Tyler Zeller and Myers Leonard. If We kept them maybe some combination of Big Al, Millsap, Leonard, and Zeller could get us Curry and Biedrins, or Conley. Might be best case Scenario.

by Kfunk on Feb 14, 2012 11:24 AM MST up reply actions  

Why are people down

on Kendall Marshall? He seems to be exactly what the majority of posters on this blog want in a PG, size and passing ability. He is averaging over 10 assists per game in college! I personally hoping for Marshall and then one out of the trio of Brad Beal, Jeremy Lamb or Austin Rivers.

by jusorenson on Feb 14, 2012 11:40 AM MST up reply actions  

Why would you want another SG?

Between Burks and Hayward, I think we are good there for the time being, SF is def our most glaring weakness IMO. I’d like to see us grab Barnes or MKG if either are available when we draft.

Utah>*

by Bebop on Feb 14, 2012 12:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Just want a SG that can

actually shoot. Also not all six lotto picks can play at the same time. Gordon will stick at SF despite our wishes that he moves to SG. Bell has 1 year left, not sure what will happen to CJ. Getting a combo guard that can shoot like Beal would be huge. Beal’s nba comp right now on nbadraft.net is ray allen. I’ll take that any draft.

by jusorenson on Feb 14, 2012 12:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Just FYI

most mocks right now have players listed as far as rank, ala NBA Rank. Once the season ends, and the lottery happens, they’ll come out with more accurate mocks, based on who is drafting where, and team needs.

Utah>*

by Bebop on Feb 14, 2012 12:02 PM MST up reply actions  

I understand that.

And it’s not even the NCAA tournament where draft spots are made or broken. But I’m just not seeing anybody in our territory that I think fills a need (Except maybe Beal).

by Kfunk on Feb 14, 2012 1:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Honestly

I think Ty really needs to experiment with a Burks Hayward backcourt. Is this something that can work, I’d like to see us maybe package those picks and move up to get Barnes.

Utah>*

by Bebop on Feb 14, 2012 2:10 PM MST up reply actions  

You don't want Knight.

kanter > Knight

For the Love of the Game

Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!

MonSTARZ forever!

by ForTheLove on Feb 14, 2012 6:03 PM MST up reply actions  

hate hate hate Al's comment

and i know it wasn’t just Al’s feeling you could tell the majority of the starting lineup felt that way, so disgusting. Only Raja seemed to care out of the starting lineup besides Hayward in 4th quarter.
We’ve lost 7 out of 10 and they think they can just win by stepping on the court. I hate it.
like everyone else I’d like a new starting pg even if its just earl until the off season.

by dianaallen on Feb 14, 2012 9:36 AM MST reply actions  

Any trade value that Devin Harris had has gone to pot. The only saving grace is a low number of years on his contract. We traded for an All Star point guard and we got a backup.

by Utah_Soldier on Feb 14, 2012 10:03 AM MST reply actions  

Harris still has value

Harris still has the ability to be a upper tier point guard. However, and Moni made this point, the Jazz’s offensive philosophy seems to minimize his strengths and magnify his weaknesses, and I think this has had a detrimental impact on his confidence. It doesn’t help that his shooting has been poor this year. Its hard to make a living as a shoot first point guard when you can’t make shots.

But still, I think a player like Devin Harris be attractive to a coach like Mike D’antoni, who runs a more free flowing offense.

BRIAN W BROCKHOFF

by brock38 on Feb 14, 2012 10:57 AM MST up reply actions  

I think if we did a team for team swap, maybe

I take that back: I think it would take this: (I was going to link to trade machine, but I guess that I broke it)

Jefferson, Millsap, Hayward, Kanter, and Favors for: Lewis, Wall, Blatche, and McGee.

Might take the Warriors pick too.

by Kfunk on Feb 14, 2012 11:16 AM MST up reply actions  

The best hope for a deal

is to try and help the Celtics blow things up. Ainge will do it but it will take young talent and a pick. To get a top PG you have to overpay (See: Nets). I am guessing it would take Sap, Burks and a 1st rounder to pry Rondo from Boston. Sucks to see players we like leave but no team is trading good players to us for people we want to leave. Doesn’t work like that. If we want to build from the draft I think Kendal Marshall is our target, great size and passing ability but a so-so defender and scorer. Maybe do a Big Al for Monta Ellis and then plan on drafting Marshall in the first. Those are my two favorite scenarios after days being on the Trade Machine.

by jusorenson on Feb 14, 2012 11:37 AM MST reply actions  

Man..that would be amazing

Rondo, Ellis, Hayward, Favors, Kanter
Earl, Raja, CJ, Evans, Carroll…FES!…Sadly Memo would be perfect for this bench…sigh

I’m sure we’d get some filler from Boston. Maybe Bass? He’d fit the Millsap role off the bench pretty well.

Got me dreamin, man!

by 3 in the Key on Feb 15, 2012 11:43 AM MST up reply actions  

After yesterdays

Unbelievable loss I’m done hoping for the playoffs. When you lose to teams like Toronto, and New Orleans it’s time that I realize that this team is mediocre at best. And I’m not talking about mediocre talent I’m taking about comments like the one Jefferson and maybe half the locker room had that was mentioned in the DB today.

Comments like that was something you wouldn’t hear coming out of previous Jazz teams mouths. They take the W, and move on to the next team with the same mind set they had. I don’t mind the loss when I know they tried their best and the other team is better. When their is no effort on both ends of the floor I can’t watch that crap.

I’m ready for the youth movement

"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."

Norm Sloan

"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."

Weldon Drew

by EcERyda69 on Feb 14, 2012 11:51 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

i feel the same

but DWill led teams had the same problem.

by dianaallen on Feb 14, 2012 11:53 AM MST up reply actions  

While this was definitely a disheartening loss, it fits with my perception of the jazz this year.

We will surprise some teams and we will be competitive in most games, but without a strong leader, we’re bound to lose some really bad games. You could see that no one was really interested, and we don’t have that player who will get into a teammates’ face and demand a better effort. Someone has to become the hard ass. Bell is probably the closest we have, but he’s not getting it done. Earl is good with the second team but last night it ease too little too late.

by jrclone on Feb 14, 2012 12:20 PM MST reply actions  

Game Recaps?

Just curious, but what has happened to game recaps? For a while we were getting two per game but now we’re getting none?

by chicagorilla on Feb 14, 2012 2:16 PM MST reply actions  

absent BBJ, we're on a rudderless ship!

(I jest. Much props to the staff who keep this thing rolling.)

I'll make it coach.

by MTN on Feb 14, 2012 2:28 PM MST up reply actions  

SLC Dunk is just like the Jazz

we don’t know what to do without the star.

by 3 in the Key on Feb 15, 2012 11:45 AM MST up reply actions  


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