"Can I Get A Karl Malone All-Star Snub Type Performance?" - The Downbeat - # 684
I thought now would be a good time to check in on Basketball John and see what his feelings are on the team. I can only imagine what he would have to say about the Jazz if he were writing the downbeat today. Luckily, BBJ has left SLCDUNK, but not Jazz fandom or twitter. So here is an update on some insightful and funny stuff he had to say last night via twitter.
The Jinx:
A joke appropriate for Tax-filing season:
And the kicker of the whole shebang:
Preach on, Brother.
I received a couple of private messages about the downbeat I posted yesterday, in regards to its negative/depressing nature. I'm not going to apologize, but thought I would explain. I wrote almost all of that downbeat right after the Thunder loss and was feeling a little frustrated by the direction of the team. Everything I wrote, I feel, whether it's after a win or a loss, but the Memphis win certainly made some of the comments feel out of place. I never expected the Jazz to lose last night. It was most likely the worst loss of the season, but Jazz fans aren't new to performances like that. The Jazz have had similar/worse losses in recent memory. The Jazz aren't unique either. Every team in the NBA has losses similar to that one last night. Any team in the NBA can beat any other team on any other night. It's not just a clever saying. Which makes this statement frustrating:
Jefferson is obviously speaking for the team. There's little doubt that some of the players were discussing that they believed the Hornets would walk over for them. That is in a word...
UNACCEPTABLE.
The Jeremy Lin story is the "Moves Like Jagger" of the NBA: it's completely overplayed to the point of being more annoying than it should be. It doesn't make the Lin story less incredible ("Moves like Jagger" is not at all incredible). It is unprecedented and crazy what Lin has done for the city of New York, the Knicks and the NBA. What amazes me about the story is how Lin was able to singlehandedly change the Knicks from a bottom feeder to a playoff contender and probably top 10 team. Besides Lin fitting in with the Dantoni offense, he really just happens to provide the exact ingredient that the Knicks were missing: competent point guard play. It is obvious that the Jazz are missing 3 point shooters as much as anything, but would a great 3 point shooter change the Jazz's fortune like the Knicks' has changed? I can't help but think of the Korver acquisition and how the Jazz won 15 of the next 17 games afterward. But what is a realistic expectation? If the Jazz acquired, say Anthony Morrow, tomorrow, how many games would the Jazz improve? Bottom line is that the Jazz need a Lin-type experience in order to turn the team around.
The Jazz need a hero, but any 3 point shooter will do to pair with deadeye Raja Bell (39% from 3 this season).
One of the reasons the Jazz struggle on the road is because their defense doesn't travel very well. As of last week, the Jazz were allowing their opponents to shoot about 4% better on the road than at home. But even bigger news to me is that the Jazz are allowing 28.5 free throw attempts on the road, but only 22.8 at home as of 3 games ago. Add the fact that the Jazz shoot 4 less free throws on the road than at home and we are talking about a 10 free throw differential. Considering that the average NBA team shoots 74.7% from the free throw line and the Jazz are handicapping themselves by 7.4 points on the road. They can't do that. The Jazz need to improve their road defense by fouling less, first and foremost.
I had too much to write to do a trivia question yesterday, so I will do one today.
What do these teams have uniquely in common that pertains to the Jazz?
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I enjoyed the game after Hayward checked in in the fourth
alec burks man…just wish Mr. Evans got some burn
by UtonganKidInCali on Feb 14, 2012 7:39 AM MST via Android app reply actions
I think Burks and Hayward
could fill the 3 point shooter help we need
by UtonganKidInCali on Feb 14, 2012 7:41 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Yes. I can't stump you guys. How did you know? Send me your contact info and I'll get you a prize.
The more you try to erase me, the more that I appear.
The DB title was a good clue
And I remember seeing one of the GSW games (he did it twice against them!) as well as the Sonics game (playoffs). I also knew his career high 61 was against the Bucks. A little Google magic confirmed he hit 50 against the Hornets once as well.
Do I just email you? What info do you need?
Yeah. Email me your physical address.
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by clarkpojo on Feb 14, 2012 10:16 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
did anyone see a guy wearing a karl malone jersey that was 5 sizes too small for him behind the jazz bench last night?
if so, that was me! Even though we lost I had so much fun. That 4th quarter unit we had in was fun. I also had raja bell cracking up at my jersey. I didn’t realize how outgoing he is with fans.
Louisiana Jazz fan
Thats why you got to pick up a winter sport
some of my friends bitch and moan about the snow, but every time we get a big drop, I get super psyched for a pow day! Plus, there is nothing better than a good day of riding and coming home to watch a Jazz game.
Utah>*
Building on BBJ's tweet
Can we start rebuilding yet? Our young guys played well last night, especially when they were on the court with Watson. I think that’s the way to do it. Get a veteran PG, put the young guys out there with him, and let him teach them the game. Hayward, Burks, Favors, and Kanter all went positive, and once again Evans got a DNP. All five of them should be playing as many minutes as possible. Obviously the logjam we have is causing problems, and as much as I love Millsap, it might be smarter for our future to trade him for either (or both) of our biggest needs: a PG for the next decade (because clearly Harris is not working out), and 3-point shooters. Stock up on draft picks, mix in a few crafty vets, and rebuild!
Don't mess with the Coco
I spent time here yesterday arguing in favor of the vets
Saying the young guys could learn from a winning environment and the vets give us the best chance at that. Then the vets stink up the place while the young guys make a late rally. Made me look dumb (not that I need help sometimes).
Realistically
Who is a point guard we could aquire for Millsap (if it came to that)
Rondo has a prima donna attitude that wouldn’t jive with Utah
Lawson is not going anywhere
Lowry is not going anywhere
Dragic is a chucker
We gave Maynor away
We didn’t draft Knight
If Golden State would trade Curry I’d take him, but would they do that when they have David Lee already? He and Millsap are both power forwards.
Tyreke Evans? But do we want him?
That's the hard part
I don’t know anything about the contracts these guys have, and I’m too lazy to look into that right now, but I’m sure a decent trade with Millsap (and maybe CJ/Howard/draft picks) could get us a good, young PG, preferably one that can shoot the 3. Trading Al is an option too, but I’d want Millsap to come off the bench so I can start Favors and Kanter. I think I’d be okay with getting Tyreke, or someone like Brooks, Conley, maybe even Jennings (even though he’s probably about as frustrating as Harris is in terms of consistency). Collison would be a good fit too I think, but they don’t need any bigs. I’m hoping we can get a real PG prospect in the draft this year and have him train with Earl for 2-3 seasons and let him take over with the group of Hayward, Favors, Kanter, Burks, and Evans who would all be 4-5 year vets at that point.
Don't mess with the Coco
by Aaron Vessel on Feb 14, 2012 9:45 AM MST up reply actions
That's the problem.
I have said this before, but it bears repeating: There are very few PG prospects this year. I’m going off Draft Express here, but there are zero PG’s in the lottery. The closest is Bradley Beal, who is an undersized SG with Ball skills (think Eric Gordon, or maybe Rodney Stuckey), sounds like he has a better Shot than Burks did in College.
The first PG is Kendall Marshall at 17. After that is Rivers (another combo Guard) and Weber State’s Damion Lillard. That’s it for PG’s in the first round. So what does Tanking gain us? another big?
The only thing I see is the Jazz trying to package picks to Trade up to have a shot at Kidd Gilchrist or Barnes. Which, okay we could use a prototypical 3, but it doesn’t solve our PG problem.
If we do end up with another big in the draft
Teams are always looking for size. Someone desperate for a talented big may be willing to give up a PG to get it.
I don't know
I just am not that excited about our chances of improving through this draft.
Right now DX has us taking Tyler Zeller and Myers Leonard. If We kept them maybe some combination of Big Al, Millsap, Leonard, and Zeller could get us Curry and Biedrins, or Conley. Might be best case Scenario.
Why are people down
on Kendall Marshall? He seems to be exactly what the majority of posters on this blog want in a PG, size and passing ability. He is averaging over 10 assists per game in college! I personally hoping for Marshall and then one out of the trio of Brad Beal, Jeremy Lamb or Austin Rivers.
Why would you want another SG?
Between Burks and Hayward, I think we are good there for the time being, SF is def our most glaring weakness IMO. I’d like to see us grab Barnes or MKG if either are available when we draft.
Utah>*
Just want a SG that can
actually shoot. Also not all six lotto picks can play at the same time. Gordon will stick at SF despite our wishes that he moves to SG. Bell has 1 year left, not sure what will happen to CJ. Getting a combo guard that can shoot like Beal would be huge. Beal’s nba comp right now on nbadraft.net is ray allen. I’ll take that any draft.
Weird Comp. More like Eric or Ben Gordon.
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by clarkpojo on Feb 14, 2012 2:58 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I think Gordon is better than Bird.
Not really. It was a joke.
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by clarkpojo on Feb 14, 2012 4:03 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Just FYI
most mocks right now have players listed as far as rank, ala NBA Rank. Once the season ends, and the lottery happens, they’ll come out with more accurate mocks, based on who is drafting where, and team needs.
Utah>*
I understand that.
And it’s not even the NCAA tournament where draft spots are made or broken. But I’m just not seeing anybody in our territory that I think fills a need (Except maybe Beal).
You don't want Knight.
kanter > Knight
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
MonSTARZ forever!
hate hate hate Al's comment
and i know it wasn’t just Al’s feeling you could tell the majority of the starting lineup felt that way, so disgusting. Only Raja seemed to care out of the starting lineup besides Hayward in 4th quarter.
We’ve lost 7 out of 10 and they think they can just win by stepping on the court. I hate it.
like everyone else I’d like a new starting pg even if its just earl until the off season.
Any trade value that Devin Harris had has gone to pot. The only saving grace is a low number of years on his contract. We traded for an All Star point guard and we got a backup.
Harris still has value
Harris still has the ability to be a upper tier point guard. However, and Moni made this point, the Jazz’s offensive philosophy seems to minimize his strengths and magnify his weaknesses, and I think this has had a detrimental impact on his confidence. It doesn’t help that his shooting has been poor this year. Its hard to make a living as a shoot first point guard when you can’t make shots.
But still, I think a player like Devin Harris be attractive to a coach like Mike D’antoni, who runs a more free flowing offense.
BRIAN W BROCKHOFF
I think if we did a team for team swap, maybe
I take that back: I think it would take this: (I was going to link to trade machine, but I guess that I broke it)
Jefferson, Millsap, Hayward, Kanter, and Favors for: Lewis, Wall, Blatche, and McGee.
Might take the Warriors pick too.
You want to trade our team for Washington's?
Why would you want to do that?
by 3 in the Key on Feb 15, 2012 11:40 AM MST up reply actions
I don't want to
Just what it would take to get Wall
The best hope for a deal
is to try and help the Celtics blow things up. Ainge will do it but it will take young talent and a pick. To get a top PG you have to overpay (See: Nets). I am guessing it would take Sap, Burks and a 1st rounder to pry Rondo from Boston. Sucks to see players we like leave but no team is trading good players to us for people we want to leave. Doesn’t work like that. If we want to build from the draft I think Kendal Marshall is our target, great size and passing ability but a so-so defender and scorer. Maybe do a Big Al for Monta Ellis and then plan on drafting Marshall in the first. Those are my two favorite scenarios after days being on the Trade Machine.
I'd take either
or both of those trades.
by 3 in the Key on Feb 15, 2012 11:41 AM MST up reply actions
Man..that would be amazing
Rondo, Ellis, Hayward, Favors, Kanter
Earl, Raja, CJ, Evans, Carroll…FES!…Sadly Memo would be perfect for this bench…sigh
I’m sure we’d get some filler from Boston. Maybe Bass? He’d fit the Millsap role off the bench pretty well.
Got me dreamin, man!
by 3 in the Key on Feb 15, 2012 11:43 AM MST up reply actions
After yesterdays
Unbelievable loss I’m done hoping for the playoffs. When you lose to teams like Toronto, and New Orleans it’s time that I realize that this team is mediocre at best. And I’m not talking about mediocre talent I’m taking about comments like the one Jefferson and maybe half the locker room had that was mentioned in the DB today.
Comments like that was something you wouldn’t hear coming out of previous Jazz teams mouths. They take the W, and move on to the next team with the same mind set they had. I don’t mind the loss when I know they tried their best and the other team is better. When their is no effort on both ends of the floor I can’t watch that crap.
I’m ready for the youth movement
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
by EcERyda69 on Feb 14, 2012 11:51 AM MST via mobile reply actions
And they peaked last year, with Al and Paul starting
Methinks a regime change’s time has finally come.
by 3 in the Key on Feb 15, 2012 11:44 AM MST up reply actions
While this was definitely a disheartening loss, it fits with my perception of the jazz this year.
We will surprise some teams and we will be competitive in most games, but without a strong leader, we’re bound to lose some really bad games. You could see that no one was really interested, and we don’t have that player who will get into a teammates’ face and demand a better effort. Someone has to become the hard ass. Bell is probably the closest we have, but he’s not getting it done. Earl is good with the second team but last night it ease too little too late.
It's good to see that while I'm no longer doing SLC Dunk
that my jinxing powers are as powerful as ever.
by Basketball John on Feb 14, 2012 1:02 PM MST reply actions
Game Recaps?
Just curious, but what has happened to game recaps? For a while we were getting two per game but now we’re getting none?
absent BBJ, we're on a rudderless ship!
(I jest. Much props to the staff who keep this thing rolling.)
I'll make it coach.
SLC Dunk is just like the Jazz
we don’t know what to do without the star.
by 3 in the Key on Feb 15, 2012 11:45 AM MST up reply actions

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