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Top 5 Draft Pick Bigs - Minutes in Context

So I've been lurking for a while now, and figured it was time to jump into the conversation. There are a lot of good debates that take place here at SLCDunk, and statistics play a key part of those debates. For the most part, everyone understands that statistics have their place and can enlighten us on certain aspects of the game. Occasionally, however we place our own perceptions on the numbers and twist them to say what we think is right. In other words, we take them out of context. If done subtly, we may not realize that we're even doing it. I know I'm guilty of using stats incorrectly.

For example (feel free to skip reading this paragraph as it has nothing to do with the Jazz): a friend and I were discussing Jimmer Fredette on Facebook early in the season. He claimed that Jimmer had the best plus-minus numbers on his team, and therefore needed a significant increase in his minutes. I argued that Jimmer's plus-minus was deceptive since he was mostly playing against bench players in garbage time. (This is when I was taking the stat out of context, since I had no idea when Jimmer tended to play, as I haven't seen a Kings game in years, all I knew is that he wasn't a starter.) I also looked up his advanced stats and showed him that the Kings were worse defensively when he was on the floor, and not much better offensively. He argued that it didn't matter since he was a positive plus-minus. (This was him taking stats out of context because it discounted the small sample size.) Ultimately we compromised. I agreed that Jimmer deserved more time to show if he was capable of sustaining his performance. He agreed that plus-minus isn't the best stat to argue ability since Tyreke Evans and Demarcus Cousins would have been deep in the bench if it was.

The stat that's been bothering me recently is minutes, or minutes per game. The big debate is whether or not Favors and Kanter are getting the appropriate number of minutes. Locke uses minutes by age to show that they aren't behind other bigs. Amar uses minutes per season to show that they are far behind other bigs. Both of these arguments have validity, but neither gives the full picture.

I decided to do my own research and look into minutes in context. I started by finding all bigs drafted in the top five over the last 15 or so years. I used basketball-reference as my source and considered any player listed as a power forward or center at some point in their first three seasons as a "big" (which means you'll see names like Adam Morrison and Marvin Williams on the table below). From there I began looking at depth charts. For each big, I looked at the team depth chart and found the players that the rookie was competing with for minutes. I admit that I had to be a bit subjective here since some teams carried 8-10 bigs during the course of a season. I didn't want my chart to be huge, so I limited my options to players who had at least 300 minutes in a season, and focused on those who played comparable minutes or more than the rookie big.

After compiling my list of players I started looking at contributions. In order to keep things simple I chose two stats: PER and win shares per 48. I chose these two for several reasons. PER is a fairly standard stat and is generally accepted as being an adequate measure of offensive contributions. PER is also useful because it's normalized each season so that league average is 15.00. I recognize that it rewards high usage players more than high efficiency players, but I also felt it's more encompassing than PPP or offensive rating. Win shares per 48 was chosen because it is also normalized (somewhat), so league average is 0.100 each season. Win shares are also more balanced in terms of offense and defense, so defensive players, like Tyson Chandler, aren't penalized. Win shares, however, also reflect the team to an extent, so poor team may negatively effect a good player's win shares.

For those of you who want some basic points of reference (and these are somewhat subjective):

PER: 15.0 = average;
17.5+ = above average;
20.0+ = All-Star consideration;
25.0+ = MVP consideration;
30.0+ = All-time great (no player in history has a career PER greater than 30.0)

WS/48: 0.100 = average;
0.125+ = above average;
0.150+ = top 50 player;
0.200+ = top 15 player;
0.250+ = top 5 player

I don't want to add too much commentary (I'd like you to draw your own conclusions), but I did notice a few things that may be worth pointing out:

  1. It's pretty rare for a big to be above average during their rookie year.
  2. Most teams don't have an above average big when they draft a big.
  3. I had trouble formatting the table the way I wanted, just know that the top name in each row is the big drafted in the top 5.
  4. Lorenzen Wright seems to show up on a lot of teams.

Name

Age

Pos

Games
/Starts

MPG

PER

WS/48

Name

Age

Pos

Games
/Starts

MPG

PER

WS/48

Name

Age

Pos

Games
/Starts

MPG

PER

WS/48

D.Williams

K.Love

W.Johnson

M.Beasley

20

23

24

23

PF

PF

SF

SF

66/15

55/55

65/64

47/7

21.5

39.0

22.6

23.1

12.9

25.4

8.0

13.0

0.059

0.223

0.021

0.022

D.Williams

A.Kirilenko

D.Cunningham

K.Love

21

31

25

24

PF

SF

SF

PF

78/56

64/64

90/9

18/18

24.6

31.8

25.1

34.3

14.5

17.6

13.3

17.9

0.076

0.142

0.084

0.084

T.Thompson

A.Jamison

S.Samuels

A.Varejao

20

35

23

29

PF

PF

C

C

60/25

65/65

54/0

25/25

23.7

33.1

15.3

31.4

13.3

16.1

11.1

18.9

0.038

0.070

0.039

0.131

T.Thompson

T.Zeller

A.Varejao

L.Walton

21

23

30

32

PF

C

C

PF

82/82

77/55

25/25

50/0

31.3

26.4

36.0

17.1

16.1

11.0

21.7

11.3

0.098

0.048

0.173

0.045

E.Kanter

A.Jefferson

P.Millsap

D.Favors

19

27

26

20

C

C

PF

PF

66/0

61/61

64/62

65/9

13.2

34.0

32.8

21.2

14.5

22.8

21.8

17.1

0.095

0.173

0.179

0.105

E.Kanter

A.Jefferson

P.Millsap

D.Favors

20

28

27

21

C

C

PF

PF

70/2

78/78

78/78

77/8

15.4

33.1

30.4

23.2

17.6

20.9

19.8

17.5

0.101

0.143

0.154

0.117

D.Cousins

S.Dalembert

J.Thompson

C.Landry

20

29

24

27

C

C

PF

PF

81/62

80/46

75/39

53/16

28.5

24.2

23.3

26.5

14.6

14.1

13.6

14.7

0.022

0.072

0.079

0.086

D.Cousins

J.Thompson

C.Hayes

D.Greene

21

25

28

23

C

PF

C

PF

64/62

64/47

54/9

53/7

30.5

25.9

19.2

14.7

21.7

16.4

8.9

11.8

0.104

0.114

0.028

0.041

D.Cousins

J.Thompson

C.Hayes

T.Robinson

22

26

29

21

C

PF

C

PF

75/74

82/81

74/1

51/0

30.5

27.9

16.3

15.9

20.2

14.6

10.7

10.6

0.092

0.075

0.060

-0.010

D.Favors

A.Jefferson

P.Millsap

K.Humphries

19

26

25

25

PF

C

PF

PF

78/27

82/82

76/76

74/44

19.7

35.9

34.3

27.9

13.9

20.1

19.8

17.8

0.091

0.128

0.143

0.125

D.Favors

A.Jefferson

P.Millsap

E.Kanter

20

27

26

19

PF

C

PF

C

65/9

61/61

64/62

66/0

21.2

34.0

32.8

13.2

17.1

22.8

21.8

14.5

0.105

0.173

0.179

0.095

D.Favors

A.Jefferson

P.Millsap

E.Kanter

21

28

27

20

PF

C

PF

C

77/8

78/78

78/78

70/2

23.2

33.1

30.4

15.4

17.5

20.9

19.8

17.6

0.117

0.143

0.154

0.101

H.Thabeet

M.Gasol

Z.Randolph

22

25

28

C

C

PF

68/13

69/69

81/81

13.0

35.8

37.7

12.9

19.3

21.2

0.109

0.164

0.153

H.Thabeet

M.Gasol

Z.Randolph

D.Arthur

23

26

29

22

C

C

PF

PF

47/0

81/81

75/74

80/9

7.9

31.9

36.3

20.1

4.7

16.8

22.6

15.7

0.043

0.146

0.185

0.113

H.Thabeet

S.Dalembert

J.Hill

M.Camby

24

30

24

37

C

C

C

C

5/0

65/45

32/7

19/13

7.0

22.1

15.6

22.4

12.4

16.9

15.1

14.5

0.102

0.137

0.118

0.100

B.Griffin

C.Smith

I.Diogu

B.Cook

21

27

27

30

PF

PF

PF

PF

82/82

48/0

36/0

40/0

38.0

12.2

13.1

11.2

21.9

15.4

13.7

11.6

0.152

0.120

0.104

0.064

B.Griffin

K.Martin

R.Evans

22

34

31

PF

PF

PF

66/66

42/0

56/0

36.2

22.4

13.8

23.4

9.9

9.2

0.185

0.048

0.079

B.Griffin

L.Odom

R.Hollins

23

33

28

PF

PF

C

80/80

82/2

60/0

32.5

19.7

11.1

22.4

10.9

11.3

0.196

0.081

0.125

K.Love

A.Jefferson

C.Smith

B.Cardinal

20

24

25

31

C

C

PF

PF

81/37

50/50

74/31

64/4

25.3

36.7

19.7

14.2

18.3

23.1

16.9

8.1

0.124

0.128

0.104

0.045

K.Love

A.Jefferson

R.Hollins

D.Milicic

21

25

25

24

PF

C

C

C

60/22

76/76

73/27

24/18

28.6

32.4

16.8

25.6

20.7

19.0

11.0

12.9

0.138

0.090

0.048

0.048

K.Love

D.Milicic

N.Pekovic

A.Randolph

22

25

25

21

PF

C

C

C

73/73

69/69

65/11

23/3

35.8

24.4

13.6

20.1

24.3

12.2

11.2

18.5

0.210

0.007

0.035

0.069

A.Horford

Z.Pachulia

J.Smith

S.Williams

21

23

22

24

C

C

PF

PF

81/77

62/5

81/81

36/0

31.4

15.2

35.5

11.5

14.7

11.0

19.0

9.8

0.103

0.054

0.097

0.060

A.Horford

Z.Pachulia

J.Smith

S.Jones

22

24

23

24

C

C

PF

C

67/67

77/26

69/69

63/0

33.5

19.1

35.1

10.7

17.0

14.1

17.2

12.0

0.145

0.127

0.097

0.138

A.Horford

Z.Pachulia

J.Smith

Joe.Smith

23

25

24

34

C

C

PF

PF

81/81

78/1

81/81

64/1

35.1

14.0

35.4

9.3

19.4

13.1

21.0

11.2

0.183

0.121

0.155

0.077

G.Oden

L.Aldridge

J.Przybilla

C.Frye

21

23

29

25

C

PF

C

PF

61/39

81/81

82/43

63/1

21.5

37.1

23.8

11.8

18.1

19.1

15.4

10.0

0.167

0.151

0.163

0.054

G.Oden

J.Howard

M.Camby

L.Aldridge

22

36

35

24

C

C

C

PF

21/21

73/27

23/23

78/78

23.9

22.4

31.2

37.5

23.1

10.0

17.0

18.2

0.214

0.077

0.152

0.145

A.Morrison

G.Wallace

D.Anderson

W.Herrmann

22

24

32

27

PF

SF

SF

PF

78/23

72/71

50/32

48/12

29.8

36.7

23.8

19.5

7.9

19.8

13.7

16.1

-0.030

0.141

0.117

0.125

A.Morrison

G.Wallace

V.Radmanovic

T.Ariza

23

25

28

23

SF

SF

SF

SF

52/5

71/71

78/31

82/20

13.7

37.6

21.1

24.4

5.7

18.6

10.2

15.5

0.001

0.172

0.021

0.146

A.Morrison

R.Artest

L.Odom

J.Powell

24

30

30

27

SF

SF

PF

PF

31/0

77/77

82/38

63/0

15.2

33.8

31.5

9.2

5.8

12.1

15.9

6.7

0.004

0.098

0.143

0.001

S.Williams

M.Williams

Z.Pachulia

L.Wright

23

20

22

31

PF

PF

C

C

81/31

64/63

72/47

67/31

18.7

34.0

28.1

15.4

12.3

12.2

16.8

6.6

0.070

0.051

0.114

0.033

S.Williams

J.Smith

A.Horford

B.Miller

24

22

21

31

PF

PF

C

C

64/0

81/81

81/77

72/72

12.1

35.5

31.4

34.9

11.9

19.0

14.7

16.8

0.072

0.097

0.103

0.125

S.Williams

J.Thompson

C.Smith

M.Moore

25

22

25

33

PF

PF

PF

PF

45/0

82/56

74/31

46/20

11.5

28.1

19.7

16.2

9.8

13.9

16.9

8.6

0.060

0.057

0.104

0.052

A.Bargnani

C.Bosh

J.Garbajosa

R.Nesterovic

21

22

29

30

PF

C

PF

C

65/2

69/69

67/60

80/73

25.1

38.5

28.5

21.0

12.8

22.6

12.1

13.9

0.057

0.174

0.074

0.118

A.Bargnani

C.Bosh

R.Nesterovic

K.Humphries

22

23

31

22

PF

C

C

PF

78/53

67/67

71/39

70/0

23.9

36.2

20.9

13.2

10.6

23.8

16.1

15.7

0.036

0.200

0.125

0.096

A.Bargnani

C.Bosh

J.O'Neal

23

24

30

PF

C

C

78/59

77/77

41/34

31.4

38.0

29.7

14.6

22.1

15.4

0.076

0.159

0.055

T.Thomas

B.Wallace

P.J.Brown

A.Nocioni

20

32

37

27

PF

C

PF

PF

72/4

77/77

72/49

53/31

13.4

35.0

20.2

26.5

14.8

14.6

9.7

15.6

0.110

0.146

0.075

0.139

T.Thomas

B.Wallace

J.Noah

J.Smith

21

33

22

32

PF

C

C

PF

74/27

50/50

74/31

50/35

18.0

32.5

20.7

22.9

14.6

11.8

15.5

16.8

0.088

0.072

0.120

0.109

T.Thomas

J.Noah

A.Nocioni

D.Gooden

22

23

29

27

PF

C

PF

PF

79/61

80/55

53/2

31/27

27.5

24.2

24.1

29.6

15.9

16.5

11.4

15.3

0.101

0.159

0.072

0.090

L.Aldridge

Z.Randolph

J.Magloire

T.Outlaw

21

25

28

22

C

PF

C

PF

63/22

68/67

81/23

67/1

22.1

35.7

21.0

22.9

17.1

22.8

11.5

15.3

0.118

0.112

0.032

0.072

L.Aldridge

T.Outlaw

J.Przybilla

C.Frye

22

23

28

24

PF

PF

C

C

76/76

82/6

77/67

78/20

34.9

26.7

23.6

17.2

18.5

15.7

12.3

14.8

0.113

0.071

0.113

0.114

L.Aldridge

J.Przybilla

G.Oden

C.Frye

23

29

21

25

PF

C

C

PF

81/81

82/43

61/39

63/1

37.1

23.8

21.5

11.8

19.1

15.4

18.1

10.0

0.151

0.163

0.167

0.054

A.Bogut

J.Magloire

T.Kukoc

D.Gadzuric

21

27

37

27

PF

C

PF

C

82/77

82/82

65/0

74/0

28.6

30.1

15.7

12.0

15.2

11.1

11.9

17.2

0.113

0.039

0.053

0.134

A.Bogut

B.Skinner

C.Villanueva

D.Gadzuric

22

30

22

28

C

PF

PF

C

66/66

67/44

39/17

54/8

34.2

22.7

25.2

15.6

15.5

8.9

15.8

11.9

0.085

0.035

0.085

0.043

A.Bogut

C.Villanueva

Y.Jianlian

M.Ruffin

23

23

20

31

C

PF

PF

C

78/78

76/31

66/49

46/2

34.9

24.1

25.0

13.7

17.5

14.9

11.3

12.1

0.085

0.045

0.022

0.095

M.Williams

A.Harrington

J.Smith

J.Childress

19

25

20

22

PF

PF

SF

SF

79/7

76/76

80/73

74/10

24.7

36.6

32.0

30.4

12.2

16.0

15.5

15.8

0.069

0.065

0.067

0.121

M.Williams

J.Smith

S.Williams

S.Jones

20

21

23

22

PF

SF

PF

PF

64/63

72/72

81/31

58/8

34.0

36.8

18.7

11.5

12.2

18.3

12.3

12.3

0.051

0.079

0.070

0.117

M.Williams

J.Childress

J.Smith

S.Williams

21

24

22

24

SF

SF

PF

PF

80/80

76/0

81/81

36/0

34.6

29.9

35.5

11.5

14.5

17.8

19.0

9.8

0.099

0.160

0.097

0.060

E.Okafor

P.Brezec

M.Ely

22

25

26

PF

C

PF

73/73

72/72

79/17

35.6

31.6

20.9

16.3

16.1

10.5

0.074

0.104

0.004

E.Okafor

J.Jones

M.Ely

P.Brezec

23

26

27

26

PF

PF

PF

C

26/25

76/42

57/22

79/79

33.6

27.5

23.6

27.4

14.9

12.1

14.3

15.3

0.054

0.068

0.072

0.102

E.Okafor

J.Voskuhl

A.Morrison

W.Herrmann

24

29

22

27

C

C

PF

PF

67/65

73/9

78/23

48/12

34.8

14.3

29.8

19.5

20.1

10.9

7.9

16.1

0.147

0.077

-0.030

0.125

D.Howard

T.Battie

K.Cato

P.Garrity

19

28

30

28

PF

C

C

PF

82/82

81/32

62/50

71/0

32.6

23.4

24.6

13.5

17.2

8.6

14.9

9.1

0.131

0.051

0.137

0.054

D.Howard

T.Battie

P.Garrity

D.Milicic

20

29

29

20

PF

C

PF

C

82/81

82/82

57/0

30/1

36.8

27.0

16.5

20.9

19.3

12.2

9.1

16.3

0.137

0.083

0.062

0.086

D.Howard

D.Milicic

T.Battie

B.Outlaw

21

21

30

35

C

PF

PF

PF

82/82

80/16

66/66

41/0

36.9

23.9

23.9

11.2

21.1

13.8

9.8

11.4

0.154

0.082

0.081

0.126

D.Milicic

B.Wallace

M.Okur

C.Williamson

18

29

24

30

C

C

PF

PF

34/0

81/81

71/33

79/0

4.7

37.7

22.3

19.9

6.1

17.3

18.3

14.4

-0.049

0.160

0.179

0.124

D.Milicic

B.Wallace

R.Wallace

A.McDyess

19

30

30

30

C

C

PF

PF

37/2

74/74

79/79

77/8

6.9

36.1

34.0

23.3

4.7

17.4

16.4

17.2

-0.031

0.153

0.127

0.154

D.Milicic

D.Howard

T.Battie

B.Wallace

20

20

29

31

C

PF

C

C

55/1

82/81

82/82

82/82

13.9

36.8

27.0

35.2

15.2

19.3

12.2

17.5

0.073

0.137

0.083

0.168

C.Bosh

D.Marshall

A.Davis

L.Baxter

19

30

35

25

C

PF

C

C

75/63

66/66

15/15

36/4

33.5

39.1

35.9

13.5

15.1

19.7

10.6

12.6

0.119

0.181

0.078

0.095

C.Bosh

D.Marshall

M.Bonner

R.Araujo

20

31

24

24

PF

PF

C

C

81/81

65/2

82/0

59/41

37.2

25.3

18.9

12.5

17.5

19.9

14.7

7.1

0.108

0.176

0.130

0.016

C.Bosh

C.Villanueva

M.Bonner

R.Araujo

21

21

25

25

C

PF

PF

C

70/70

81/36

78/6

52/34

39.3

29.1

21.9

11.6

23.2

16.4

13.7

4.5

0.170

0.079

0.114

-0.066

N.Tskitishvili

D.Harvey

J.Howard

J.Posey

19

22

29

26

SF

SF

PF

SF

81/16

77/27

77/77

25/24

16.3

20.9

35.5

34.9

4.9

12.5

17.2

12.3

-0.035

0.059

0.106

0.055

N.Tskitishvili

N.Hilario

C.Anthony

C.Anderson

20

21

19

25

PF

PF

SF

PF

39/0

77/77

82/82

71/0

7.9

32.5

36.5

14.5

7.1

14.8

17.6

14.4

-0.012

0.117

0.098

0.111

N.Tskitishvili

K.Martin

T.Murphy

E.Najera

21

27

24

28

PF

PF

PF

PF

35/0

70/67

70/69

42/4

6.3

32.5

33.9

14.5

2.7

17.5

16.8

9.9

-0.109

0.111

0.107

0.034

D.Gooden

P.Gasol

S.Battier

P.Garrity

21

22

24

26

F

PF

SF

PF

70/47

82/82

78/47

81/53

26.8

36.0

30.6

31.9

15.0

20.7

15.0

11.2

0.043

0.138

0.126

0.091

D.Gooden

J.Howard

A.DeClercq

S.Hunter

22

30

30

22

PF

PF

C

C

79/17

81/77

71/53

59/23

26.1

35.5

17.1

13.4

13.8

15.6

10.6

11.2

0.015

0.059

0.069

0.034

D.Gooden

A.Varejao

Z.Ilgauskas

R.Traylor

23

22

29

27

PF

PF

C

C

82/80

54/0

78/78

74/6

28.6

16.0

33.5

17.9

18.0

17.0

19.5

12.0

0.112

0.164

0.149

0.066

Y.Ming

K.Cato

E.Griffin

M.Taylor

22

28

20

26

C

C

PF

PF

82/72

73/5

77/66

67/9

29.0

17.1

24.5

20.6

20.6

15.5

15.4

11.5

0.176

0.145

0.100

0.030

Y.Ming

M.Taylor

K.Cato

C.Weatherspoon

23

27

29

33

C

PF

PF

PF

82/82

75/10

69/67

37/0

32.8

27.7

25.3

17.6

21.9

13.6

13.2

15.0

0.202

0.085

0.127

0.145

Y.Ming

D.Mutombo

J.Howard

M.Taylor

24

38

31

28

C

C

PF

PF

80/80

80/2

61/47

38/16

30.6

15.2

26.6

23.8

23.2

16.4

13.0

8.2

0.210

0.186

0.094

0.018

E.Curry

B.Miller

T.Chandler

M.Fizer

19

25

19

23

C

C

C

PF

72/31

48/47

71/31

76/20

16.0

29.0

19.6

25.8

14.4

19.6

13.0

14.2

0.075

0.152

0.062

0.026

E.Curry

T.Chandler

D.Marshall

C.Blount

20

20

29

34

C

C

PF

C

81/48

75/68

78/53

50/3

19.4

24.4

30.5

16.7

17.5

15.8

18.4

9.6

0.107

0.102

0.122

0.064

E.Curry

A.Davis

J.Williams

T.Chandler

21

35

30

21

PF

C

PF

PF

73/63

65/64

53/32

35/8

29.5

31.3

23.2

22.3

14.8

12.1

15.4

14.2

0.066

0.069

0.130

0.116

K.Brown

P.Jones

C.Laettner

J.White

19

31

32

25

PF

PF

PF

C

57/3

79/40

57/48

71/69

14.3

24.3

25.3

19.0

11.2

14.4

13.7

14.9

0.048

0.107

0.086

0.118

K.Brown

B.Haywood

C.Laettner

C.Oakley

20

23

33

39

C

C

PF

C

80/20

81/69

76/66

42/1

22.2

23.8

29.1

12.2

13.6

13.5

16.1

8.3

0.069

0.125

0.143

0.088

K.Brown

J.Jeffries

E.Thomas

B.Haywood

21

22

25

24

PF

PF

C

C

74/57

82/38

79/15

77/59

30.3

23.3

24.1

19.3

15.7

8.7

16.4

17.2

0.105

0.014

0.115

0.123

T.Chandler

B.Miller

C.Oakley

E.Curry

19

25

38

19

C

C

PF

C

71/31

48/47

57/36

72/31

19.6

29.0

24.3

16.0

13.0

19.6

6.6

14.4

0.062

0.152

-0.016

0.075

T.Chandler

E.Curry

C.Blount

L.Baxter

20

20

34

24

C

C

C

C

75/68

81/48

50/3

55/0

24.4

19.4

16.7

12.4

15.8

17.5

9.6

11.3

0.102

0.107

0.064

0.063

T.Chandler

A.Davis

E.Curry

J.Williams

21

35

21

30

PF

C

PF

PF

35/8

65/64

73/63

53/32

22.3

31.3

29.5

23.2

14.2

12.1

14.8

15.4

0.116

0.069

0.066

0.130

P.Gasol

G.Long

S.Swift

L.Wright

21

35

22

26

C

PF

PF

C

82/79

66/56

68/14

43/33

36.7

28.3

26.5

29.1

19.5

7.7

17.2

14.8

0.121

0.004

0.099

0.055

P.Gasol

L.Wright

S.Swift

M.Batiste

22

27

23

25

PF

C

PF

PF

82/82

70/49

67/26

72/2

36.0

28.3

22.1

16.6

20.7

14.4

18.0

12.2

0.138

0.061

0.108

0.029

P.Gasol

L.Wright

B.Outlaw

S.Swift

23

28

32

24

PF

C

PF

PF

78/78

65/46

82/1

77/10

31.5

25.8

19.6

19.8

21.7

14.0

13.1

19.2

0.159

0.092

0.107

0.150

M.Fizer

E.Brand

R.Artest

M.Ruffin

22

21

21

24

PF

PF

SF

PF

72/13

74/74

76/74

45/16

21.9

39.3

31.1

19.5

11.0

20.4

13.6

10.1

-0.022

0.101

0.039

0.056

M.Fizer

C.Oakley

J.Rose

R.Artest

23

38

29

22

PF

PF

SF

SF

76/20

57/36

30/30

27/26

25.8

24.3

40.5

30.5

14.2

6.6

18.4

18.4

0.026

-0.016

0.082

0.083

M.Fizer

D.Marshall

J.Rose

E.Robinson

24

29

30

26

PF

PF

SF

SF

38/0

78/53

82/82

64/18

21.3

30.5

40.9

21.2

17.9

18.4

14.9

11.5

0.082

0.122

0.052

0.076

S.Swift

G.Long

B.Reeves

O.Harrington

21

34

27

27

PF

PF

C

C

80/6

66/27

75/48

44/40

16.4

22.8

24.4

28.8

13.1

11.4

12.8

11.7

0.069

0.078

0.075

0.035

S.Swift

G.Long

P.Gasol

L.Wright

22

35

21

26

PF

PF

C

C

68/14

66/56

82/79

43/33

26.5

28.3

36.7

29.1

17.2

7.7

19.5

14.8

0.099

0.004

0.121

0.055

S.Swift

P.Gasol

L.Wright

M.Batiste

23

22

27

25

PF

PF

C

PF

67/26

82/82

70/49

75/2

22.1

36.0

28.3

26.6

18.0

20.7

14.4

12.2

0.108

0.138

0.061

0.029

K.Martin

A.Williams

E.Eschmeyer

K.VanHorn

23

29

25

25

PF

PF

C

SF

68/68

82/25

74/51

49/47

33.4

28.5

18.0

35.4

13.4

15.1

10.8

15.5

0.044

0.107

0.091

0.079

K.Martin

A.Williams

T.MacCulloch

J.Collins

24

30

26

23

PF

PF

C

C

73/73

82/13

62/61

77/9

34.3

18.9

24.2

18.3

14.5

15.2

17.7

10.7

0.093

0.154

0.179

0.104

K.Martin

R.Rogers

J.Collins

A.Williams

25

31

24

31

PF

PF

C

C

77/77

68/0

81/66

81/0

34.1

19.2

23.5

19.7

16.9

11.7

9.9

11.9

0.129

0.086

0.119

0.110

L.Odom

M.Taylor

E.Piatkowski

B.Skinner

20

23

29

23

SF

PF

SF

PF

76/70

62/60

75/23

33/9

36.4

35.9

22.8

23.5

16.8

13.4

13.0

11.9

0.055

-0.007

0.064

0.057

L.Odom

D.Miles

C.Maggette

B.Skinner

21

19

21

24

PF

SF

SF

PF

76/74

81/21

69/9

39/23

37.3

26.3

19.7

15.0

18.9

14.7

18.2

10.4

0.111

0.068

0.137

0.028

L.Odom

D.Miles

E.Brand

T.Fowlkes

22

20

22

25

SF

SF

PF

SF

29/25

82/6

80/80

22/17

34.4

27.2

37.8

15.6

13.7

14.4

23.6

9.5

0.033

0.074

0.216

0.071

E.Brand

D.Simpkins

W.Perdue

M.Ruffin

20

27

34

23

PF

PF

C

PF

81/80

69/48

67/15

71/6

37.0

23.9

15.1

13.7

20.6

5.5

6.6

7.8

0.121

-0.021

-0.023

0.032

E.Brand

M.Fizer

M.Ruffin

B.Miller

21

22

24

24

PF

PF

PF

C

74/74

72/13

45/16

57/45

39.3

21.9

19.5

25.2

20.4

11.0

10.1

16.4

0.101

-0.022

0.056

0.114

E.Brand

M.Olowokandi

S.Rooks

L.Odom

22

26

32

22

PF

C

C

SF

80/80

80/79

61/2

29/25

37.8

32.1

11.9

34.4

23.6

12.4

7.5

13.7

0.216

0.029

0.038

0.033

M.Olowokandi

L.Wright

M.Taylor

23

23

22

C

C

PF

45/36

48/15

46/45

28.4

23.6

32.7

11.8

14.7

15.2

-0.010

0.093

0.024

M.Olowokandi

M.Taylor

K.Closs

B.Skinner

24

23

23

23

C

PF

C

PF

80/77

62/60

57/6

33/9

31.2

35.9

14.4

23.5

10.4

13.4

14.1

11.9

-0.016

-0.007

0.062

0.057

M.Olowokandi

L.Odom

S.Rooks

C.Parks

25

21

31

28

C

PF

C

C

82/82

76/74

82/0

52/31

25.9

37.3

18.9

16.8

10.0

18.9

11.5

12.5

-0.008

0.111

0.070

0.089

A.Jamison

C.Mills

D.Marshall

T.Cummings

22

29

25

37

SF

SF

SF

PF

47/24

47/24

48/20

50/0

22.5

29.7

26.0

20.2

16.6

13.0

16.9

16.2

0.105

0.104

0.117

0.122

A.Jamison

J.Caffey

D.Marshall

T.Farmer

23

26

26

30

SF

PF

PF

PF

43/41

71/56

64/51

74/9

36.2

30.4

32.4

16.2

16.7

12.4

17.1

15.7

0.043

0.035

0.088

0.114

A.Jamison

C.Porter

C.Blount

A.Keefe

24

22

32

30

SF

SF

PF

PF

82/82

51/35

38/0

67/13

41.4

22.5

24.2

12.5

19.0

11.1

14.3

9.7

0.094

0.008

0.060

0.032

R.LaFrentz

A.McDyess

D.Fortson

K.Clark

22

24

22

23

C

C

PF

C

12/12

50/50

50/38

28/0

32.3

38.7

28.3

14.6

18.9

21.7

18.7

11.3

0.144

0.105

0.148

0.029

R.LaFrentz

A.McDyess

K.Clark

C.Gatling

23

25

24

32

C

PF

C

PF

81/80

81/81

81/20

40/0

30.1

33.3

22.8

19.3

16.3

19.6

15.9

17.1

0.116

0.110

0.109

0.092

R.LaFrentz

A.McDyess

K.Willis

K.Clark

24

26

38

25

C

PF

C

PF

78/74

70/70

73/13

35/3

31.5

36.5

24.6

21.5

17.6

22.0

14.1

11.0

0.132

0.146

0.063

0.031

K.VanHorn

K.Gill

C.Gatling

D.Benoit

22

29

30

29

PF

SF

PF

SF

62/62

81/81

57/16

53/0

37.5

33.7

23.8

15.1

15.7

14.9

16.0

10.0

0.098

0.104

0.084

0.067

K.VanHorn

K.Gill

J.Feick

S.Burrell

23

30

24

28

PF

SF

PF

SF

42/42

50/47

26/16

32/10

37.5

32.1

32.7

22.1

19.6

14.8

14.2

12.6

0.113

0.076

0.124

0.092

K.VanHorn

K.Gill

J.Newman

S.Burrell

24

31

36

29

PF

SF

SF

SF

80/80

76/75

82/9

74/9

34.8

31.0

21.5

18.1

18.7

15.2

13.6

14.2

0.096

0.076

0.095

0.115

T.Battie

D.Fortson

D.Garrett

J.Wolf

21

21

31

33

PF

PF

C

PF

65/49

80/23

82/82

57/8

23.2

22.6

32.1

10.9

13.3

14.3

12.1

5.1

0.015

0.051

0.041

-0.037

T.Battie

A.Walker

W.McCarty

V.Potapenko

22

22

24

23

C

PF

PF

C

50/15

42/41

32/4

33/32

22.4

36.9

20.6

28.1

15.5

17.0

8.9

15.1

0.014

0.079

0.035

0.094

T.Battie

A.Walker

V.Potapenko

W.McCarty

23

23

24

25

C

PF

C

PF

82/4

82/82

79/72

61/5

18.4

36.6

22.7

14.4

15.1

17.8

13.8

7.2

0.120

0.080

0.066

-0.009

T.Duncan

D.Robinson

W.Perdue

C.Person

21

32

32

33

PF

C

C

PF

82/82

73/73

79/30

61/11

39.1

33.7

18.9

23.9

22.6

27.8

14.8

8.3

0.192

0.269

0.151

0.068

T.Duncan

D.Robinson

W.Perdue

M.Rose

22

33

33

24

PF

C

C

PF

50/50

49/49

37/1

47/0

39.3

31.7

12.0

12.9

23.2

24.9

11.7

19.7

0.213

0.261

0.160

0.204

T.Duncan

D.Robinson

M.Rose

S.Walker

23

34

25

23

PF

C

PF

PF

74/74

80/80

74/3

71/7

39.1

32.0

18.1

13.8

24.8

24.6

13.2

13.1

0.218

0.238

0.120

0.098

Overall, I'm not sure if the data above changes my opinion on minutes or not. I do think that the information was valuable, and it helped me put Favors and Kanter in perspective. Without going back and checking, I don't think there was another team that fielded four average or better bigs in both PER and WS/48.

Anyway, the season is over and we can't change it now. I mostly just wanted to get this out because I put so much work into it. Let me know what you think.

All comments are the opinion of the commenter and not necessarily that of SLC Dunk or SB Nation.

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